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    Nu stiam de ce te-ai chinuit sa RE-EDITEZI de cateva ori postarea 369... In stilul specific, bineanteles: video + linkuri + caterinka....


    Dar mai tarziu mi-am dat seama: e luna mai... se incalzeste timpul... se dezgheata iazurile.... apar clientii!
    Spor si "multe succese" in afaceri Syso...
    "Situatia in care te afli.... este consecinta faptelor si actiunilor tale! "

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    haideti sa mai vedem un mic iaz suprapopulat si care nu a avut probleme in ultimii doi ani, schimbind omul apa ca japonezii si cumparind 3 filtre mari de la oase.
    cum era de asteptat a aparut o mica problema si anume un peste s-a procopsit cu o infectie bacteriana.
    noroc ca proprietarul a semnalat la timp si va lua toate masurile pentru a preintimpina pe viitor astfel de probleme.

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    Daca schimba ca japonezii ( intre 100-300 %) bravo lui,dar nu stiu cum a reusit sa se pricopseasca cu aeromonas.

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    Every hobbyist knows that Spring is a critical time for koi. Often the koi get sick grow ulcers, develop fin rot and die. After a long winter of fasting, the fish are naturally weak and immunilogically stressed. Fish, like reptiles, are cold blooded animals that rely totally on their environment to function. As the temperature warms up, the fish are slowly adapting to their new environmental conditions. Preying parasites and Aeromonas bacteria are growing rapidly, and the stressed fish become their helpless victims. Why then, don't the fish suffer the same consequences in the fall when they are exposed to the same temperature ranges? I believe the reason is that the fish have been building up their immunity all Summer and are at the peak of health so they are better conditioned to fight off diseases, besides, the biofilter are also at their optimum, so the water conditions are at their highest quality. Reference 12 supports my theory, in that it finds, once carp have been immunized at a higher temperature (77F), they can respond better immunilogically to lower temperatures (50F), and also possess immunological memory. My studies over a two year period reaffirm the hypothesis, that pond temperature plays a critical role in the health, growth, and immunity to disease. Even with ideal water conditions, the fish can still get sick. Especially if, they carry traces of the Aeromonas bacteria in their internal systems, and the temperature of the water favors the undesirable bacteria instead of the fish. I have developed a cross plot that illustrates my point in Figure 1. The data is based on References (10, 11,12 13 ) and contributions of D Pakiser and L Jepson References (2.9)

    A study of Figure I shows the following:

    Aeromonas bacteria are basically inactive at 40F.Their activity increases exponentially with every degree rise, culminating at the maximum activity at 60F.
    Koi start building immunity only after 55F.One researcher found no white blood cells below 55F.The optimum temperature for carp is stated to be 77F.
    NOTE: Carp will die once exposed to 95F.
    Activity of the biofilter is also temperature dependent. The activity of Nitrobacter (the bacteria that converts ammonia to nitrites) , is non existent at 40F. It rises to only 50% activity at 60F.It is fully active at 75F.The Nitrosomonas bacteria (the bacteria that converts nitrite to nitrates) is not active until 60F.
    In summary, within temperature ranges of 47F to 62F the Aeromonas bacteria run rampant while the fish are barely beginning to reestablish their immunities. To compound these undesirable conditions, the biofilter are only marginally active. As a consequence, ammonia and nitrites are both likely to be above the desirable range. This temperature range that is hazardous to fish is commonly referred to by the pros as the "Aeromonas Alley".




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    Daca schimba ca japonezii ( intre 100-300 %)

    deci sa intelegem noi astia mai prosti ca asta http://www.momotaro-koi.org/english/sisetsu/index.htm baga dupa spusele tale zeci de mii de tone pe zi?
    deja o iau razna rau.
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    Informatia cu schimbul de apa facut de Momotaro 100-300% o am de pe un forum malaesian indonesian ( nu mai retin) unde toti se intrebau cum de reuseste Momotaro sa faca asa pesti mari cu bakkie shower. Iar raspunsul a venit de la un individ ce cumpara de la el si sutinea ca in bazinele lui se schimba apa in proportie de 100-300%. Probabil ca schimba apa in cantitati doar in bazinele unde foloseste doar filtre bakki shower.
    Iar zilele trecute tot pe un forum asiatic citeam ca Momotaro intr-o discutie privata nu recomanda ca in bazine cum avem noi sa foloseasca doar sistemul lui de filtrare adica cu bakki shower. Stie el ce stie.
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    deci sakai, dainichi, momotaro , omosako, incalzesc ei citeva hectare de apa iarna si dupa le arunca instant sa intelegem?.Poate inainte de a da informatii ar trebui sa le verifici putin.Altfel iar lansam mituri mioritice ca multe altele deja cunoscute.
    poate lunar dum cu 10% pe zi da 300% exact
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    Ai tu vreo informatie exacta de la cei enumerati de tine unde scriu clar cata apa schimba pe zi sau doar presupui? Uite-te pe google earth si poti observa ca ferma lui Momotaro este exact pe marginea unui rau. Si ferma lui Sakai tot pe un rau e localizata. Parerea mea este ca nimeni din gigantii astia nu spun exact.
    Iar aici nu era vorba de schimbat apa iarna.
    In 2011 cineva scria pe un forum :''One of the key things in the Momotaro set up is that it is a semi open system, with a lot of fresh mountain coming in everyday. I think their water change is as much as 50% daily. We normally don't change so much water, nor is our city treated water anywhere as good (for koi) as fresh mountain water''.
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    pai da-ne tu informatia exacta radu nu ne lasa in ceata.daca zice un bou ceva pe un forum din malaezia nu inseamna ca este adevarat.Iar daca nu merge jucaria fara sa schimbe 300% cum zice boul ala din malaezia cum mama naibii de astia ii tin iarna in ponduri la 24 de grade si le dau de mincare pina le crapa ochii si nu schimba 300%.Ceva e fracturat in logica pe care ne-o prezinti.


    VEZI RADU E IARNA SI SUNT HALE INTREGI INCALZITE CU TOSAI HRANITI LA GREU IN APA CALDA SI CU SCHIMBURI DE 300% PE ZI))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
    FILTRARI EXCLUSIV BAKKI
    Quote Originally Posted by dum View Post
    . Stie el ce stie.

    bOLOVANU ASTA AL TAU DIN CARE DAI CITATE SPUNE CA EL CREDE, CEEA CE E CU TOTUL ALTCEVA DECIT SCHIMBA, IAR CANTITATEA CARE EL CREDE ESTE 50% NICIDECUM 300% CEEA CE ESTE CEA MAI MARE ABERATIE PE CARE POATE SA O SPUNA CINEVA.
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    Mai oameni buni!!!....

    Va reamintesc ca acest forum este apreciat de: cei care au nevoie de indrumare, de sfaturi bune, de ajutor... sau vor sa invete cate ceva despre acest hobby!!! ...de cei care stiu sa recunoasca cand gresesc si nu au orgolii sau interese...etc..etc
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    De la mocirle pline de noroi am trecut la dizolvarea aerului si schimbul de apa ca japonezii!!!

    Ce sa inteleaga acesti oameni? Aici se discuta filozofie.....numai in procente, in cantitati, ...despre iazuri artificiale alimentate continuu de surse infinite de apa!!.... filtrele sunt doar asa de fantezie!...sa ne laudam cu ele!.....Nu mai crestem pesti fara sa avem Marea Neagra in spatele casei!...

    Nu stiu de unde scoateti atatea perle!!! Lasati-i naibii de japonezi si barfele habarnautilor de pe alte forumuri!!!.....a zis ala..a facut celalalt...a vazut ala...a auzit ala...uite aici/ia de aici!!!...bla..bla bla......Mai rau ca niste ,,tate''

    Haideti sa fim constructivi si sa ne limitam la ,,bucataria'' noastra!

    Nu spune nimeni ca nu sunt si informatii pretioase/adevaruri dar ce se intampla aici ,,miroase'' a conflicte personale!!!
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    Chiar nu observati ca de foarte mult timp, oamenii nu mai pun intrebari...nu mai indraznesc sa isi expuna problemele si sa ceara sfaturi!!! ...le e frica de atatia ,,experti''!



    Cu stima,

    Stefan

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    Mda.... iar s-a revenit la "limbaj de mahala"....
    Nici nu stiu de ce dracu mai dau click la topicul asta! Am uitat ca e deschis de cunoscatorul adevarului absolut... Anul trecut era "prieten pe FB" cu toata spuma crescatorilor... anul asta deja bate vantul in alta directie.

    Seara lina domnilor....

    L.E: scrisesem acest post inainte de a posta Stefan! A nu se intelege eronat... ma refeream la postarea 378.
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    "Situatia in care te afli.... este consecinta faptelor si actiunilor tale! "

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